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Post by RGVF Moderator on Jul 13, 2008 20:33:08 GMT -6
Upon doing some research, there is much debate on the confession topic.
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Post by panthercrazy on Jul 13, 2008 20:34:58 GMT -6
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Post by RGVF Moderator on Jul 13, 2008 20:44:04 GMT -6
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Post by panthercrazy on Jul 13, 2008 20:46:00 GMT -6
Yea, Im still kinda in between Religions.
Both religions also do have alot in common.
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Post by panthercrazy on Jul 13, 2008 20:50:15 GMT -6
I Also dont know is the Forth Lateran Counsel?
What is that?
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Post by eagleprophet on Jul 13, 2008 22:01:43 GMT -6
I believe in God without a doubt. And I understand my Catholic faith to a level that most of my brethen don't. If you should have questions on your Catholic faith, go look at the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It will guide you through all of your questions and it has all of the bibilical listings as to why things are as they are within the Catholic Christian faith.
As a lector of the word and former eucharistic minister, I have found a deeper level of faith and understanding as to why Christians believe in God without having an actual visual of him.
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Post by panthercrazy on Jul 13, 2008 22:09:04 GMT -6
Then answer my question?
What is the Forth Lateran Counsel?
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Post by son of corb on Jul 13, 2008 22:15:56 GMT -6
Then answer my question? What is the Forth Lateran Counsel? You can post here but can't look it up on the net? I'm guessing you are either trying to make a point are truly asking for spiritual advice. |
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Post by son of corb on Jul 13, 2008 22:24:17 GMT -6
Okay Finally Im Convinced, Finally So now how about... Why do us Catholics confess to the Priest instead of going directly to god? Another Roadblock Confession is not limited to Catholics. True it is very structured within the Catholic faith but, we are all commanded to confess our sins one to another. Protestants are also to follow that decree by James. |
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Post by panthercrazy on Jul 13, 2008 22:30:42 GMT -6
Then answer my question? What is the Forth Lateran Counsel? You can post here but can't look it up on the net? I'm guessing you are either trying to make a point are truly asking for spiritual advice. Im asking a Person to Person someone I can Trust... |
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Post by Ol' Buzzard on Jul 13, 2008 22:32:23 GMT -6
Would this conversation made the CUT under the old forum rules?
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Post by elprofe on Jul 13, 2008 22:52:16 GMT -6
You can post here but can't look it up on the net? I'm guessing you are either trying to make a point are truly asking for spiritual advice. Im asking a Person to Person someone I can Trust... If you are really serious about all these questions you ask, here are some books that may help you. I know they helped me understand my faith better. Books |
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Post by panthercrazy on Jul 13, 2008 23:02:19 GMT -6
Bro No Offense but I want talking to you.
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Post by son of corb on Jul 13, 2008 23:05:54 GMT -6
Your faith is a journey. You won't find it on the net. You'll find it in personal dealings with those that you respect, even if they don't profess it loudly. You will find it in the majesty of nature and in the hearts of people that you may or may not know. You will find it when you ask and you receive. If you look for it, it is there. Our problems in seeing God exist purely because we are so fortunate. We've lost the ability to hear the presence of God because of all the noise around us. Turn off you're noise making appliances, tv's/radios and such. Just look about you and look at the land and the prosperity around us. It is stunning if you just look and listen.
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Post by panthercrazy on Jul 13, 2008 23:11:17 GMT -6
Its stunning that the World is Sin.
Yeah it looks nice but what are we doing to it, nothing but sin.
This is like a pre apocalypses if you ask me. What else is worse than what we live in now?
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Post by epalbino on Jul 13, 2008 23:23:21 GMT -6
I really don't want to get into a long debate on original sin (the concept has caused way more division that union in Christianity), but basically Catholics and some Protestants (those that align themselves with the teachings of Calvinism) accept the concept of original sin.
I personally do not accept the concept of original sin and therefore all of humanity is condemned from birth, rather that sin came into the world through Adam and all of us have a bent towards it, but are not born with sin on us. As we grow and disobey parents/teachers/etc. and start learning the consequences for our sins, then we make the choice to accept Jesus' sacrifice for ourselves. Paedobaptism (the baptism of babies) is more for the conscience of the parents than it is for the baby. The baby has no choice in the matter. I believe that we all come to an age of accountability when we realize that our disobedience is actually directed towards God. That realization causes spiritual grief and at that point we make a choice as to how to pay for all the wrongs done. It is at that point when I believe a person should be baptized for the remission of his/her own sins (not the sins of the father or mother or Adam, if you want to go that far back). What Catholics and other denominations that accept original sin as a doctrine do is have teachings (catechism) and at the culmination of the time of teaching they go through the ritual of first communion. In essence that is the age of accountability. So basically we are just quibbling over semantics, however, baptism means more when a person chooses to have it done than when it's done involuntarily near birth.
I know that this talk can bring about a lot of confusion, but so as not to cause a huge fight, I suggest you talk to a person at your church that is wise (Priest, preacher, pastor, elder, whatever you want to call that person) and stay within your faith. If you have questions, ask them of the people of your faith so as not to get in trouble with your church.
I know what I believe and what I teach and if you want to know more about that, I'd be glad to discuss it. However, I sense from the questions coming up that this is not the case. It would seem that Panther is from a Catholic background and I would suggest that Catholics answer his questions. It is really easy for one belief to start belittling others in an open conversation like this and to me that is a tragedy. Instead of building each other up in our faith, we are tearing each other down where we disagree. From what I have seen on these posts, those that say they believe in God are from a Christian-type of background (Catholic, Protestant). Jesus prayed that we would be one and when we continue to bicker over semantics, that oneness is lessened. If you believe in God, great! The Christian God -- then we have Jesus in common. Let's not get all worked up over different traditions that man has come up with over the years, rather focus on Him and what He is doing in our lives today.
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Post by panthercrazy on Jul 13, 2008 23:40:32 GMT -6
I'll Respond to that Tomorrow, There's alot I gotta say!  |
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Post by hunterbunter on Jul 13, 2008 23:44:57 GMT -6
i dont get you pantehrcrazy, in the first pages it sounded like you believe in God and now you got all these questions and doubts?
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Post by panthercrazy on Jul 13, 2008 23:55:59 GMT -6
No I dont have doubt about god, Im in between 2 Families and 2 Religions and I was baptised in the Catholic church but my dad talk to me about the Christian Beliefs. Christians dont beleve in Conformations and Baptism as a Baby. These are questions I have to ask in order to pick a religion. Right now im in the Middle. I have never doubted god, never.
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Post by wp2003 on Jul 13, 2008 23:58:23 GMT -6
i don't see anything wrong with his questions. his questions stem from what the church does, not what God or Jesus did......
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