Lemon_Fresh
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Post by Lemon_Fresh on Aug 13, 2008 22:40:17 GMT -6
I am conservative as well, but take the liberal view
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Post by son of corb on Aug 13, 2008 22:43:08 GMT -6
We need to cut the semantics out of this. We are talking about an elective procedure designed to eliminate what is or would be a human life. That is depending on your view of when life starts.
Either way, I can fully defend my position on the death penalty (pro). I can't find a reasonable defense for this elective procedure. The two sides boil down to "I'm having a child" or "I don't want to have a baby now."
"Want" is the key word. For all you human rights guys out there, if you wait a month or two, doesn't that fetus turn into a baby that deserves human rights?
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Post by RPM on Aug 14, 2008 7:52:04 GMT -6
against it....
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Post by Lemon_Fresh on Aug 14, 2008 10:10:47 GMT -6
oh . . . I am against abortion . . . I just have a different view of when life begins
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Post by WARRIOR55 on Aug 14, 2008 17:06:01 GMT -6
pro choice... lets just leave religion out of this please... anywho...warrior what are your thoughts on birth control pills? If they can prevent unwanted births then I guess it's Ok, but of course it's like you said " let's just leave religion out of this". |
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Post by RPM on Aug 15, 2008 7:32:26 GMT -6
you cant just say leave religion out of it.....that sole reason is why many people are against it in the first place...everyone has there own reasons.....you have to accept them all....
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Post by Redfish on Aug 15, 2008 11:15:06 GMT -6
you cant just say leave religion out of it.....that sole reason is why many people are against it in the first place...everyone has there own reasons.....you have to accept them all.... plus a billion, RPM. Time and time again, the conservative "religious" voice is suppressed by those that have no faith in God. So as I said earlier, they try to pose their view on us regarding their nonbelief, but yet want no part of the other side. Sounds hypocritical to me from the people that voice open mindedness. |
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Post by GUY on Aug 15, 2008 15:30:33 GMT -6
i really feel when it comes to making laws or setting precedents...on the grand arena ... RELIGION above all should be left out...
also ... the last thing i want to do is step on anyones toes here...BUT its wrong when people put their own ideals and religious views into the mix when creating laws...
intertwining religion and government is a slippery slope my friends...one id rather not go down..
i believe in being a good person...and helping my fellow man...now...as for as abortion...its ignorant to just flat out dismiss the technology
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Post by Redfish on Aug 15, 2008 16:00:09 GMT -6
i really feel when it comes to making laws or setting precedents...on the grand arena ... RELIGION above all should be left out... but you haven't said why? what are you afraid of.  In addition, who's making laws or setting precedents around here? It's a simple thread to discuss issues. We have no authority to do diddly squat. |
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Post by GUY on Aug 15, 2008 16:22:14 GMT -6
it always just starts as a discussion until some crazed fundamentalist goes on a war path to impose his ideals on the world... lol
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Post by GUY on Aug 15, 2008 16:23:48 GMT -6
either way i take the liberal stance on this issue...
most importantly the woman should be able to do what she wants with her body...until of course the BABY is born....i as a male really have no say so....i dont have the right to impose MY IDEALS onto any woman...but hey if you feel otherwise redfish...its all good
but giving rights to a fetus? hmmm lets see where that takes us
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Post by WARRIOR55 on Aug 15, 2008 16:47:51 GMT -6
It' like Mod said that this is a touchy subject. On one hand you have religion which traditionally is against abortion and on the other you don't. It is a tough question either way you look at it.
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Post by Redfish on Aug 15, 2008 16:53:30 GMT -6
you say fetus, I say unbornchild.  you could also say that faithless athiests could come in here and rant about how regilion has no part in this discussion and want to pose his views on those of us that do have faith in God. it works both ways, but the the liberals don't want to hear anything that go contrary to their own stance. Is that being open minded? |
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Post by GUY on Aug 15, 2008 16:55:49 GMT -6
open minded?....i did say "but hey if you feel otherwise redfish, its all good" see either way i take the liberal stance on this issue... most importantly the woman should be able to do what she wants with her body...until of course the BABY is born....i as a male really have no say so....i dont have the right to impose MY IDEALS onto any woman...but hey if you feel otherwise redfish...its all good but giving rights to a fetus? hmmm lets see where that takes us |
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Post by GUY on Aug 15, 2008 16:59:25 GMT -6
key phrase = "its all good"
meaning....everything is fine...basically an intervention phrase to use to avoid a debate or argument. - urban dictionary lol
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Post by Redfish on Aug 15, 2008 17:04:32 GMT -6
key phrase = "its all good" meaning....everything is fine...basically an intervention phrase to use to avoid a debate or argument. - urban dictionary lol  no problems here. |
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Post by GUY on Aug 15, 2008 17:17:49 GMT -6
i still think this is a womens rights issue..not a religious one...
and there are always different circumstances you cant rule out...no matter how much of a religious nutbag one is...i mean what about rape, health, mental health, socioecomic factors, and/or fetal defects....its just plain ignorant and irresponsible to be so black and white about such an important issue... but hey maybe thats just the logical side of my brain going off again...ohh well
hmm i feel like im repeating myself lol
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Post by EagleMaximus24 on Aug 15, 2008 17:33:18 GMT -6
i really feel when it comes to making laws or setting precedents...on the grand arena ... RELIGION above all should be left out... also ... the last thing i want to do is step on anyones toes here...BUT its wrong when people put their own ideals and religious views into the mix when creating laws... intertwining religion and government is a slippery slope my friends...one id rather not go down.. i believe in being a good person...and helping my fellow man...now...as for as abortion...its ignorant to just flat out dismiss the technology +10000 |
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Post by Redfish on Aug 15, 2008 19:52:23 GMT -6
i still think this is a womens rights issue..not a religious one... and there are always different circumstances you cant rule out...no matter how much of a religious nutbag one is...i mean what about rape, health, mental health, socioecomic factors, and/or fetal defects....its just plain ignorant and irresponsible to be so black and white about such an important issue... but hey maybe thats just the logical side of my brain going off again...ohh well Well now you're talking about a lot of different circumstances more than just the so called right to choose. Unfortunately, MOST abortions are done with none of those issues involved.  One last note, most people would consider something/someone alive if the heart beats. An unborn child's heart beats within a couple of week of conception, but i guess that doesn't matter to you either.  |
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Post by GUY on Aug 15, 2008 19:59:50 GMT -6
you have a point .... but its up to the woman in the end...not you...thank god =P
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