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Post by exhawk1997 on Jul 26, 2008 9:52:00 GMT -6
Wow. I would have figured that PI would be close to 600 wins rather than 400 wins with the great teams in the past.
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Post by Lemon_Fresh on Jul 27, 2008 15:58:34 GMT -6
There are many reasons why PI fans, (well, I) don’t see RH as a rivalry game. The first is the obvious, the extended duration between RH victories. I was born in ‘77, from the day I was born until 4 years after I graduated high school RH failed to garnish a victory. Another reason is due to the fact that many of the victories PI had over RH through my senior year were at best, lopsided. As far as seeing La Feria as more of a rival well, they have always played us tough. Even though they don’t have as many victories as RH, I still see them as more of a rival than RH. Why, you may ask, simple. During the ’89 season both PI and LaF had 1 loss each (Sharyland) when we met in the season finale. LaF pulled off the upset and bounced PI from the playoffs. The first time PI missed the playoffs in well over a decade. 10 years later PI and LaF again met in the season finale, again the Lions were able to pull off the victory. Now, remember that PI has made the playoffs what 28 out of the last 30 seasons. And La Feria is responsible for bouncing us both times. Yes RH did beat us in ’99 as well, but there was not as much on the line as there was going into the LaF game. Losing the season finale and not making the playoffs, leaves a very bitter taste in your mouth. With the exception of last year, for as long as I have been alive, RH has never left that disgusting taste in my mouth. You may ask what about ’05? Well, ’05 really was not a very good year. I mean we started that season at 0-5, and 3-5 going into the RH game, a game that went into OT, and PI lost by missing an xtra-point after scoring a TD. Can you see / understand why, I am reluctant to label this as a rivalry. I’ve been around for 31 years and in those years RH has only beat us 3 times. (’99; ’05; ’07) While yes RH has had a couple of good teams the past 4 or 5 years, I have learned that La Feria, Sharyland, Lyford, Hidalgo, heck even Raymondville has put together a string of a few good years. But you don’t see them kicking and screaming about how or why they are our rivals as RH does. Maybe this has to do with this site. Maybe, had this site been around when they challenged PI they’d be on here talking up a storm like the RH peeps are. I can understand why you are quick to label this as a rivalry. Simply put, you and all RH KNOWS that in order to get recognition you have to beat PI. YOU KNOW that in order to even have a prayer at a DC you have to beat PI. YOU KNOW that in order to label you season a success you have to beat PI. You see if PI loses to RH, the season is a disappointment, but if we beat RH, it’s just another district win. But if RH beats PI, well we all know how you react. If you lose, it’s just another loss to PI. I’m not saying that this is right or wrong, just how it is. After beating a team for so long, and only having memories of win after win, you tend to see it that way. Take a step away from the stat sheet, and ask yourself, how many times do YOU remember RH beating PI. This is why this game is not a rivalry, yet. The problem is that you fail to look at history, even when it is provided for you in the OP. RH vs PI has been around since 1950 (minus 2 years). 1950-1975: PI RH Diff 164 656 492 1976-2000: PI RH Diff 696 183 513 23 years RH beat the crap out of PI . PI returned the favor for 24 years Before PI started beating RH, there was a transition period where RH would win some, and PI would win some. There is a transition now where the teams are going back and forth. You ask any of the old folks, it was and still is a rivalry. Even the PI folks. Don't tell me that that many people go to all the games. I was at the Hidalgo/PI game this last year. You all did not even fill up Hidalgo's visitor side. RH's visitor side is packed every RH/PI game, as is PI's. Sure, PI had many a blow out in the 70's and 80's. Just like RH did in the 50's and 60's. If you blow a team out for so many years, that does not mean the rivalry is not there. Even if PI were to have beat RH 75% of the time, it is still a rivalry. Hell, look at the Battle of the Arroyo. How many times does Harlingen have to beat down San Benito before Harlingen will not consider it a rivalry? You PI folks problem is that you think you're high and mighty and God's gift to football because you made it to the semi's a few times. "Oh, RH is just another district games. Cuero is our real rival. Los Fresnos is our real rival." You will not admit to RH being your rival because it does not lift you up. It brings you right back down with the common folk. And you know what? I do not see a State Championship in your trophy case. Until then, PI is just another team that almost made it. And that is why you people deny the rivalry when everyone and their mothers knows it exists and see it! Quit being delusional. It is a rivalry, and has been since 1950. |
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Post by GUY on Jul 27, 2008 17:18:03 GMT -6
yet you RH people have yet to answer my question
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Post by Lemon_Fresh on Jul 27, 2008 17:42:35 GMT -6
I did not see your question.
But let me answer your question with a question . . . if PI is so almighty . . . where is the State Championship trophy?
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Post by GUY on Jul 28, 2008 3:31:48 GMT -6
I did not see your question. But let me answer your question with a question . . . if PI is so almighty . . . where is the State Championship trophy? im not here saying anything about pi being almighty...thats the difference lemon....thus that question has no bearing whatsoever where as my question....is in direct response to remarks from RH people saying and or implying that PI and RH are equal..."before the 70's RH was the dominant one" ...but history and statistics say other wise....i think because if RH was SOO dominant...they would have advanced past the second round atleast ONCE... Thats all we hear from you all...how RH was this and that before the 70's...and im sure they had quite a few good teams...and beat up on PI but good....but were they as dominant as PI was post 1972? i believe statistics and history are again on my side ..... and again..im not saying PI is gods gift to football...nor am i saying PI is almighty ...just saying your comparison is erroneous |
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Post by FootballGal on Jul 28, 2008 9:49:13 GMT -6
Wow. I would have figured that PI would be close to 600 wins rather than 400 wins with the great teams in the past. Early loosing seasons and started to play football not until the 50's, I am sure had some affect on those stats. |
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Post by NewYorkYankee on Jul 28, 2008 11:56:11 GMT -6
There are many reasons why PI fans, (well, I) don’t see RH as a rivalry game. The first is the obvious, the extended duration between RH victories. I was born in ‘77, from the day I was born until 4 years after I graduated high school RH failed to garnish a victory. Another reason is due to the fact that many of the victories PI had over RH through my senior year were at best, lopsided. As far as seeing La Feria as more of a rival well, they have always played us tough. Even though they don’t have as many victories as RH, I still see them as more of a rival than RH. Why, you may ask, simple. During the ’89 season both PI and LaF had 1 loss each (Sharyland) when we met in the season finale. LaF pulled off the upset and bounced PI from the playoffs. The first time PI missed the playoffs in well over a decade. 10 years later PI and LaF again met in the season finale, again the Lions were able to pull off the victory. Now, remember that PI has made the playoffs what 28 out of the last 30 seasons. And La Feria is responsible for bouncing us both times. Yes RH did beat us in ’99 as well, but there was not as much on the line as there was going into the LaF game. Losing the season finale and not making the playoffs, leaves a very bitter taste in your mouth. With the exception of last year, for as long as I have been alive, RH has never left that disgusting taste in my mouth. You may ask what about ’05? Well, ’05 really was not a very good year. I mean we started that season at 0-5, and 3-5 going into the RH game, a game that went into OT, and PI lost by missing an xtra-point after scoring a TD. Can you see / understand why, I am reluctant to label this as a rivalry. I’ve been around for 31 years and in those years RH has only beat us 3 times. (’99; ’05; ’07) While yes RH has had a couple of good teams the past 4 or 5 years, I have learned that La Feria, Sharyland, Lyford, Hidalgo, heck even Raymondville has put together a string of a few good years. But you don’t see them kicking and screaming about how or why they are our rivals as RH does. Maybe this has to do with this site. Maybe, had this site been around when they challenged PI they’d be on here talking up a storm like the RH peeps are. I can understand why you are quick to label this as a rivalry. Simply put, you and all RH KNOWS that in order to get recognition you have to beat PI. YOU KNOW that in order to even have a prayer at a DC you have to beat PI. YOU KNOW that in order to label you season a success you have to beat PI. You see if PI loses to RH, the season is a disappointment, but if we beat RH, it’s just another district win. But if RH beats PI, well we all know how you react. If you lose, it’s just another loss to PI. I’m not saying that this is right or wrong, just how it is. After beating a team for so long, and only having memories of win after win, you tend to see it that way. Take a step away from the stat sheet, and ask yourself, how many times do YOU remember RH beating PI. This is why this game is not a rivalry, yet. The problem is that you fail to look at history, even when it is provided for you in the OP. RH vs PI has been around since 1950 (minus 2 years). 1950-1975: PI RH Diff 164 656 492 1976-2000: PI RH Diff 696 183 513 23 years RH beat the crap out of PI . PI returned the favor for 24 years Before PI started beating RH, there was a transition period where RH would win some, and PI would win some. There is a transition now where the teams are going back and forth. You ask any of the old folks, it was and still is a rivalry. Even the PI folks. Don't tell me that that many people go to all the games. I was at the Hidalgo/PI game this last year. You all did not even fill up Hidalgo's visitor side. RH's visitor side is packed every RH/PI game, as is PI's. Sure, PI had many a blow out in the 70's and 80's. Just like RH did in the 50's and 60's. If you blow a team out for so many years, that does not mean the rivalry is not there. Even if PI were to have beat RH 75% of the time, it is still a rivalry. Hell, look at the Battle of the Arroyo. How many times does Harlingen have to beat down San Benito before Harlingen will not consider it a rivalry? You PI folks problem is that you think you're high and mighty and God's gift to football because you made it to the semi's a few times. "Oh, RH is just another district games. Cuero is our real rival. Los Fresnos is our real rival." You will not admit to RH being your rival because it does not lift you up. It brings you right back down with the common folk. And you know what? I do not see a State Championship in your trophy case. Until then, PI is just another team that almost made it. And that is why you people deny the rivalry when everyone and their mothers knows it exists and see it! Quit being delusional. It is a rivalry, and has been since 1950. Its funny how you talk about PI people always bringing up the past and if thats the case then damn your bringing up the ancient I mean come on 1950-1970 people in PI were probably to busy fishing,shrimping or doing the Sundance on top of the Aztec pyramid LOL...Man I swear Rio Hondo is just like a red headed step child begging for attention and when they dont get it they rant and they cry and scream.....We dont consider Cuero a rival but we do get excited to play them cuz they are part of the process to get our program established as one of the elite in 3A Texas..Los Fresnos is definitely a rival way more so than Rio Hondo so much more so that it has its own name "Battle of Highway 100" what about when we play Rio Hondo what name does it have? NONE cuz no one cares...."it brings you right back down with common folk" never did we claim to be above common folk but its nice to see that yall know your place  and last but not least you talk about "Well i dont see a state championship trophy" well now you know why PI's main goal year in and year out is to reach State and at least we got 3 Semi-Finalist trophys in our case yall cant even get past the 2nd round even with your best two teams ever! how sad....but im pretty sure your gonna claim this years team is better  in the next ten years if RIo Hondo can win district 5 out of the 10 times then we maybe we can start talking about rivalry..but until then the only delusional ones are some of you RH fans its not a rivalry never has been even after half a century. |
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Post by exhawk1997 on Jul 28, 2008 12:11:28 GMT -6
I would have to agree with NewYork Yankee on this one.
Even the RH peeps think they should be in the Valley Top 10 poll.
Don't know why?
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Post by FootballGal on Jul 28, 2008 12:51:00 GMT -6
...quote] Its funny how you talk about PI people always bringing up the past and if thats the case then damn your bringing up the ancient I mean come on 1950-1970 people in PI were probably to busy fishing,shrimping or doing the Sundance on top of the Aztec pyramid LOL...Man I swear Rio Hondo is just like a red headed step child begging for attention and when they dont get it they rant and they cry and scream.....We dont consider Cuero a rival but we do get excited to play them cuz they are part of the process to get our program established as one of the elite in 3A Texas..Los Fresnos is definitely a rival way more so than Rio Hondo so much more so that it has its own name "Battle of Highway 100" what about when we play Rio Hondo what name does it have? NONE cuz no one cares...."it brings you right back down with common folk" never did we claim to be above common folk but its nice to see that yall know your place and last but not least you talk about "Well i dont see a state championship trophy" well now you know why PI's main goal year in and year out is to reach State and at least we got 3 Semi-Finalist trophys in our case yall cant even get past the 2nd round even with your best two teams ever! how sad....but im pretty sure your gonna claim this years team is better in the next ten years if RIo Hondo can win district 5 out of the 10 times then we maybe we can start talking about rivalry..but until then the only delusional ones are some of you RH fans its not a rivalry never has been even after half a century.  |
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Post by WARRIOR55 on Jul 28, 2008 21:44:03 GMT -6
To me it's just hard to believe that Santa Rosa actually beat Port Isabl for a good 10 years in those early years.
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Post by tarpons1994 on Jul 28, 2008 23:42:22 GMT -6
The problem is that you fail to look at history, even when it is provided for you in the OP. RH vs PI has been around since 1950 (minus 2 years). 1950-1975: PI RH Diff 164 656 492 1976-2000: PI RH Diff 696 183 513 23 years RH beat the crap out of PI . PI returned the favor for 24 years Before PI started beating RH, there was a transition period where RH would win some, and PI would win some. There is a transition now where the teams are going back and forth. You ask any of the old folks, it was and still is a rivalry. Even the PI folks. Don't tell me that that many people go to all the games. I was at the Hidalgo/PI game this last year. You all did not even fill up Hidalgo's visitor side. RH's visitor side is packed every RH/PI game, as is PI's. Sure, PI had many a blow out in the 70's and 80's. Just like RH did in the 50's and 60's. If you blow a team out for so many years, that does not mean the rivalry is not there. Even if PI were to have beat RH 75% of the time, it is still a rivalry. Hell, look at the Battle of the Arroyo. How many times does Harlingen have to beat down San Benito before Harlingen will not consider it a rivalry? You PI folks problem is that you think you're high and mighty and God's gift to football because you made it to the semi's a few times. "Oh, RH is just another district games. Cuero is our real rival. Los Fresnos is our real rival." You will not admit to RH being your rival because it does not lift you up. It brings you right back down with the common folk. And you know what? I do not see a State Championship in your trophy case. Until then, PI is just another team that almost made it. And that is why you people deny the rivalry when everyone and their mothers knows it exists and see it! Quit being delusional. It is a rivalry, and has been since 1950. Its funny how you talk about PI people always bringing up the past and if thats the case then damn your bringing up the ancient I mean come on 1950-1970 people in PI were probably to busy fishing,shrimping or doing the Sundance on top of the Aztec pyramid LOL...Man I swear Rio Hondo is just like a red headed step child begging for attention and when they dont get it they rant and they cry and scream.....We dont consider Cuero a rival but we do get excited to play them cuz they are part of the process to get our program established as one of the elite in 3A Texas..Los Fresnos is definitely a rival way more so than Rio Hondo so much more so that it has its own name "Battle of Highway 100" what about when we play Rio Hondo what name does it have? NONE cuz no one cares...."it brings you right back down with common folk" never did we claim to be above common folk but its nice to see that yall know your place and last but not least you talk about "Well i dont see a state championship trophy" well now you know why PI's main goal year in and year out is to reach State and at least we got 3 Semi-Finalist trophys in our case yall cant even get past the 2nd round even with your best two teams ever! how sad....but im pretty sure your gonna claim this years team is better in the next ten years if RIo Hondo can win district 5 out of the 10 times then we maybe we can start talking about rivalry..but until then the only delusional ones are some of you RH fans its not a rivalry never has been even after half a century. Excellent post, NYY. Couldn't have said it better myself. Back when I played, we only saw Rio Hondo as just another victim in our way to district and state. |
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Post by TarpnForce73 on Jul 29, 2008 11:03:52 GMT -6
I remember we played Monterrey Tech but can't remember the year. When I see the tables it had to be in 1967 the year of
Hurricane Beulah. I don't remember not playing two games but one in that year. We used to practice at the port warehouses during that time due to damage and flooding. I might be wrong.
Need to inquire with some people that played with me then.
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Post by TarpnForce73 on Jul 29, 2008 11:41:17 GMT -6
To me it's just hard to believe that Santa Rosa actually beat Port Isabl for a good 10 years in those early years. That brings memories back. We use to scrimmage you guys and because of our record then had certain teams to beat. They were RH, Los Fresnos, and yes Santa Rosa. Our community was tired of losing to you guys. Lyford was the other but we had beaten Lyford earlier. It was during the mid to late 60s that this started happening. We beat RH on our 15th meeting with them since 1950 in 1968. RH did not play PI in the 56 and 57 seasons and I think there was a tie game somewhere in the early 60s as well.. We also beat Los Fresnos in our 17 meeting or so in 1968. And you guys in 65 or 66 and on. We were all in about the same level. Believe it or not those were big accomplishments then. In that period because we went for a long time from losing to winning seasons PI community felt we could do better. A lot of push by the community to get better coaching and certain people involved started making changes in our programs Pee wee league/training wise/coaching wise even in the school board that started making a difference in the mid 70s and on. Some of people who played in that era became involved in the board that also made a difference later. Since the early 60s there were some very talented players. Faustino Camacho just very strong and quick lineman for his size (not height) I still feel he was an exceptional player, Holland can't remember his first name was a very good and strong shifty back. Had people like Ted Kirkonnel Line backer, Las Bambas backs and linebacker (forgot their real names), Juni Cigeiro, Tony Gonzalez, Raymond Ragusin who was one of the fastest in the Valley at the time and many others. What is interesting is that when Tony Gonzalez played he brought a new dimension to PI as to what the fans had not seen until then. He had speed, shiftiness, and did not need much help once beyond the line of scrimmage. Some said that there would probably not be another one like him for a while or at all. And look at what happened later. We felt we had the talent just needed to put the rest in place. My biggest lesson that I can now admit from playing around some of this talented players in not a succesful era of PI is that you can have very good players and even good coaching and programs, but if the players don't believe in themselves it won't happen. Winning had to start to start changing what we could do. It made us believe in our players and the players and those coming up started believing in what they could do. What is surprising to me is that San Perlita actually beat us in one game. |
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Post by NewYorkYankee on Jul 30, 2008 11:12:32 GMT -6
Some interesting history of Port Isabel
Brief Chronological History of Port Isabel
Previously known as Point Isabel, Fronton, Fronton de Santa Isabel
1519 Alonso de Piñeda sailed his ships into and spent 40 days in the Laguna Madre. Reported seeing about forty Indian pueblos below what is now Brownsville.
1520 Eight separate attempts were made to populate the Rio de Las Palmas area until 1684
1520 Camargo brought brick, lime and masons for the purpose of establishing a settlement on the north bank of the river
1523 Francisco Garay arrived in harbor St. James Day (July 25th) and named the harbor Brazos de Santiago, a name which it still holds. He also established what would be the first organized government (local) in the U.S.
1524-1527? After Garay's death Hernan Cortes organized three separate attempts to colonize the area of Point Isabel
1528 Sancho de Cañiedo made another failed attempt to colonize this area
1553 Wreck of the great Spanish fleet, which cast about 300 survivors on the shore of South Padre Island. All were killed by native Karankawa Indians, only two survived to tell the story.
1682 Spanish pirate Peñalosa collaborated with French to propose a settlement at the mouth of the Rio Grande. They departed New Orleans but reached no further than Galveston in 1684
1765 Official confirmation of Land Grant of "La Isla de la Laguna" and las tierras de Azataranas on November 24.
1795 Jose Nicolas Balli, inherits "La Isla de Santiago" along with the ranch of "Atazaranas" from his father, will dated August 9. It appears "Atazaranas" was located across the lagoon, either on the mainland or on Brazos Island.
1820 Brazos Santiago was known as a Mexican port of entry as early as 1820 according to Matamoros customs archives.
1823 Fishing Village of El Fronton de Santa Isabel established.
1823 When Matamoros was established, and there was still no steamship traffic, goods were shipped through Brazos de Santiago to Matamoros over land or up the Boca Chica beach and upriver.
1828 On June 6, a survey of Padre Island was completed by Domingo de la Fuente by order of governor of Tamaulipas, Vital Fernandez
1829 Rafael Garcia and Family known to have inhabited the area since 1826, a resident of Matamoros, applies for over seven leagues of land known as the Santa Isabel headland. Applied 1827, surveyed and granted 1828 concession on Mar 2, 1829
1846 General Taylor's forces arrive Point Isabel on March 27, the settlement is already known as El Fronton and is populated by Mexicans.
1846 Fort Polk established and served as base of supplies for Taylor 1846-1848
1846 "The American Flag" an army newspaper reports on July 21, the appointment of postmaster at Point Isabel. Believed to be the first post office south of Corpus Christi
1847 Simon Mussina established the town of Point Isabel, when he purchased 5/6 of 3 leagues of land including El Fronton de Santa Isabel
1848 Ferry opened between Brazos Santiago and Point Isabel on Feb 21
1850 Town is surveyed as municipality, and platted as the "city of Point Isabel" Feb 25. The platted city lay westward from the headland along the shore of Laguna Madre, and included the area where the Yacht Club and Yacht basic are now located.
1851 Simon Mussina gives up contract to town and the lands revert to daughter of original grantee Rafael Garcia.
1852 Old lighthouse built on site of Fort Polk. Land east of Fort Polk was not included in the original town site.
1852 Point Isabel became less important with the advent of the Kenedy and Company line of steamships. Brazos remained a principle port, but all freight bound for Matamoros traveled by steamship instead of oxcart.
1870 Rio Grande railroad built linking Point Isabel and Brownsville
1870-1904 The "Golden Age" when Point Isabel boomed and attracted millions in commerce from all over the world.
1904 Gulf Coast lines completed, spelled doom ahead for the area when it upset much of the traditional shipping trade.
1908 Charles Champion and James Wells became owners of the Point Isabel town site
1908-1927 Point Isabel patronized mainly by recreation seekers. The only industry was seafood.
1927 Town site sold to Capt. C. R.. Tyrell and associates on August 30.
1930 Name officially changed from Point Isabel to Port Isabel on August 1
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Post by FootballGal on Jul 30, 2008 12:21:43 GMT -6
Interesting, PI history 101 ;D
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Post by GUY on Jul 30, 2008 14:25:21 GMT -6
lol yeah that was cool yank
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Post by TarpnForce73 on Jul 30, 2008 21:03:52 GMT -6
That was pretty good history there. Way further back than I was ever able to go when I was there. Mention of the Karankawa goes back to my government class where they were considered to be giants up to 7 feet in stature or more, fierce warriors, and horsemen, and cannabilistic. Their disappearance was a mystery. Some say disease is what created their demise. What archives did you get this from. Is some of this at the Port Isabel Museum? Some other history after the 40s Brownsville Port and Port Isabel were the Shrimping capital of the world. Brownsville and Port Isabel both would claim that right and went back and forth. However it was the combined ports that really accomplished that for a while up to the 70s and 80s. I didn't keep up with that once I left the Port Isabel Area back in the 70s. I know that industry has dwindled quite a bit since then. Well I hope we don't navigate of course here. So back to the PI Football History. |
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Post by son of corb on Jul 30, 2008 21:51:24 GMT -6
That's cool history.
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Post by wos87 on Jul 30, 2008 23:20:04 GMT -6
I remember we played Monterrey Tech but can't remember the year. When I see the tables it had to be in 1967 the year of Hurricane Beulah. I don't remember not playing two games but one in that year. We used to practice at the port warehouses during that time due to damage and flooding. I might be wrong. Need to inquire with some people that played with me then. I couldn't find any record of PI playing Monterrey in '67. The two games that were cancelled due to Beulah were against Brownsville St. Joseph's (9/22) and Sharyland (9/29). In the 1968 Football Previews, they all have PI's record from 1967 listed as 4-3-1, which is what I have. PI played a team from Mexico City in '65, could that possibly be what you are remembering? |
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Post by MANIMAL on Jul 31, 2008 1:52:47 GMT -6
hey PI peeps i still have some old school PI videos from 70s if interested
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and last but not least you talk about "Well i dont see a state championship trophy" well now you know why PI's main goal year in and year out is to reach State and at least we got 3 Semi-Finalist trophys in our case yall cant even get past the 2nd round even with your best two teams ever! how sad....but im pretty sure your gonna claim this years team is better 
in the next ten years if RIo Hondo can win district 5 out of the 10 times then we maybe we can start talking about rivalry..but until then the only delusional ones are some of you RH fans its not a rivalry never has been even after half a century.
