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Post by son of corb on Jul 14, 2008 20:39:58 GMT -6
Lots of good reads in here. I like the way the conversation turned.
TarpnForce73, you brought it up. There is racism and, prejudice alive and well in both ways down here. I'm glad you mentioned it.
My experience is that it is usually an economic issue more than a difference in skin color or ethnic background. Not always! I understand the history of this country, I'm talking about today.
If you are from east or west Texas and you show up to one of those rich school districts around a big city, you are a rube, hick, or redneck. There's always labels. It's the way it is. Part of getting over it is just to accept the fact that it exists. Seriously, who gives a rat's butt?
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Post by TarpnForce73 on Jul 15, 2008 0:29:23 GMT -6
Lots of good reads in here. I like the way the conversation turned. TarpnForce73, you brought it up. There is racism and, prejudice alive and well in both ways down here. I'm glad you mentioned it. My experience is that it is usually an economic issue more than a difference in skin color or ethnic background. Not always! I understand the history of this country, I'm talking about today. If you are from east or west Texas and you show up to one of those rich school districts around a big city, you are a rube, hick, or redneck. There's always labels. It's the way it is. Part of getting over it is just to accept the fact that it exists. Seriously, who gives a rat's butt? Economic status does play on the prejudices and discrimination as is with racism. However racism is apart from economic status. You can have racism within ethnic groups of low income or poor areas as well as in the higher echolons. The difference is being wealthy or better off gains more respect. Better Education is more prevalent with the better off you are and that also gains more respect. and therefore more acceptable. And just plain being well educated gains you more respect. However racism is apart and different from economic status since it breeds within all levels of the economy scale. The progress is there as is the case of a Black as a Presidential candidate, but I know many people who will not vote for him for that reason that he is Black. And this is what they actually told me. So you are talking of two different things that carry with it similar prejudices and other discriminating traits but are there for different reasons. One is the difference of economic status and all its prejudices it carries with it, and resentment of many poor to those who have more. And racism which is about race no matter where you are in the economic scale. You used to hear about ethnics they are less competent, inferior etc. but when it comes to politics I have seen some very incompetent people take office. Politics is about politics and that is what will put you in office, and racism lives in those sectors as well. |
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Post by TarpnForce73 on Jul 15, 2008 0:31:22 GMT -6
Lots of good reads in here. I like the way the conversation turned. TarpnForce73, you brought it up. There is racism and, prejudice alive and well in both ways down here. I'm glad you mentioned it. My experience is that it is usually an economic issue more than a difference in skin color or ethnic background. Not always! I understand the history of this country, I'm talking about today. If you are from east or west Texas and you show up to one of those rich school districts around a big city, you are a rube, hick, or redneck. There's always labels. It's the way it is. Part of getting over it is just to accept the fact that it exists. Seriously, who gives a rat's butt? Economic status does play on the prejudices and discrimination as is with racism. However racism is apart from economic status. You can have racism within ethnic groups of low income or poor areas as well as in the higher echolons. The difference is being wealthy or better off gains more respect. Better Education is more prevalent with the better off you are and that also gains more respect. and therefore more acceptable. And just plain being well educated gains you more respect. However racism is apart and different from economic status since it breeds within all levels of the economy scale. The progress is there as is the case of a Black as a Presidential candidate, but I know many people who will not vote for him for that reason that he is Black. And this is what they actually told me. So you are talking of two different things that carry with it similar prejudices and other discriminating traits but are there for different reasons. One is the difference of economic status and all its prejudices it carries with it, and resentment of many poor to those who have more. And racism which is about race no matter where you are in the economic scale. You used to hear about ethnics they are less competent, inferior etc. but when it comes to politics I have seen some very incompetent people take office. Politics is about politics and that is what will put you in office, and racism lives in those sectors as well. I don't know what happened but my respond was in the same quote you were in nevertheless hope you can read it in its smaller print. |
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Post by TarpnForce73 on Jul 15, 2008 0:37:09 GMT -6
Can somebody tell me what I am doing wrong. My replies are within the quotes I am replying to. See the above previous posts.
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Post by son of corb on Jul 15, 2008 0:56:42 GMT -6
Not sure what the problem is on you're posts. I'd really like to keep any posts on the political stuff off here. No need for that and yes, I've been guilty of it. Each of them have great reasons not to vote for them.
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Post by whatevah on Jul 15, 2008 7:00:03 GMT -6
I guess no matter how good your team is, up at college station they will find anything to make bad calls on you. you can't argue with them because no matter what, you will not beat them. i wish i could've gone to check out the valley teams, but i had a wedding this weekend. maybe next year hopefully you guys don't give up and keep trying to prove to them white folks that the valley is good.
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Post by wp2003 on Jul 15, 2008 7:11:08 GMT -6
i'm pretty sure it wasn't just the "white folks" that were talking up there.....
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Post by eefan08 on Jul 15, 2008 15:06:50 GMT -6
I played with last season EE 7-on-7 team and when we played South lake I givin a racial remake. but at the end we beat them and pick the ball off twice of the best QB in the nation. well at least that what we were told.
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Post by Juggernaut on Jul 18, 2008 21:11:47 GMT -6
Jesse, every team talks trash! At the end, the only things that matters is the score and E-E won!
Now, what really concerns me is all the allegations about the refs in the state tournament. These concerns should be brought up to the Board of Directors of the Texas State 7 on 7. There might not be much validity to the claims since a Valley team did win the Consolation Bracket last year, however, it won't hurt to bring up the issue.
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Post by TarpnForce73 on Jul 18, 2008 21:37:42 GMT -6
Juggenaut,
That is exactly how you do it. You make a statement or complain to the right source. Just throwing slurs back and forth won't accomplish much but an escalation of racist slurs back and forth. Whether they believe it or not or whether EE won or not does not matter. It even has more credibility since there was no frustration reason to have reported it but the fact it happened..
And just want to add that if more than one person and other officials or coaches heard it to also be in a list of people that saw/heard such things. That also adds more to it. Most professional organizations especially with schools and youth athletics will try to come up with solutions to reduce this type of incident which does not belong in sports competition or anywhere else for that matter at any level.
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Post by lmka on Jul 19, 2008 2:36:15 GMT -6
Juggenaut, That is exactly how you do it. You make a statement or complain to the right source. Just throwing slurs back and forth won't accomplish much but an escalation of racist slurs back and forth. Whether they believe it or not or whether EE won or not does not matter. It even has more credibility since there was no frustration reason to have reported it but the fact it happened.. And just want to add that if more than one person and other officials or coaches heard it to also be in a list of people that saw/heard such things. That also adds more to it. Most professional organizations especially with schools and youth athletics will try to come up with solutions to reduce this type of incident which does not belong in sports competition or anywhere else for that matter at any level. I'm not sure on this but I heard that some of the A&M Coaching Staff saw the E-E game and were talking about it to a 7 on 7 Official. But i don't know what came out of it. |
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Post by catfromwayback on Jul 19, 2008 5:26:58 GMT -6
I played with last season EE 7-on-7 team and when we played South lake I givin a racial remake. but at the end we beat them and pick the ball off twice of the best QB in the nation. well at least that what we were told. You actually graduated from High School?? |
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Post by amnova on Jul 19, 2008 9:57:48 GMT -6
I played with last season EE 7-on-7 team and when we played South lake I givin a racial remake. but at the end we beat them and pick the ball off twice of the best QB in the nation. well at least that what we were told. You actually graduated from High School?? well he was a starter on the football team, and is going to college....now i want you to let it soak in and you decide. |
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Post by wp2003 on Jul 19, 2008 12:43:40 GMT -6
nova, you really don't know why he's asking?.......
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Post by sweetninjas on Jul 19, 2008 19:21:47 GMT -6
Just got back from my trip to College Station this weekend. I was able to catch many of the games played by our local teams (Mercedes, EE, Weslaco, and La Villa). I'm so proud to state that our boys represented our Valley very well. They played hard and went all out. Having said that, it's unfortunate that RACISM is still prevalent all across our great state. I've been a big fan of 7 on 7 football because I believe it lends a hand in the preparation of a football team for the upcoming season. Unfortunately, it would take a small miracle from God for one of our teams from the Valley to be able to win a state championship because of the racism that the officials, players, and coaches from up north exhibit. Case in point: Mercedes game - against Schertz Clemens, you had the coaching staff from Clemens making remarks to the MERCEDES players about their ability to play. Coach Mike Uribe had to finally stand up and get in a shouting match with the opposing coach just to have him shut his mouth. On the field, time after time, every call would go against Mercedes. EE game - against Stephenville, the winning touchdown for Stephenville was well out of bounds (at least 2 yards) but was called inbounds. Again, time after time, the calls went against EE. Weslaco game - against Spring, a coach from Spring kept yelling at his players to get it going because they were "losing to a team from the Valley with a bunch of Mexicans on it". After scoring 28 points in the first half, Weslaco was shut out in the second half with repeated 4 second violations. Again, done in by the refs. I can go on and on about the bias that these refs and coaches exhibit but I think you guys get the picture. I do think that there is something to learn from competing in this tourney but realistically to try and win this thing is nearly impossible because of the many barriers you must get through. Mexicans from the Valley are not going to beat an all White team from up north WHEN IT COUNTS. Edcouch Elsa has been superb all year long and even went 3-0 in their pool but on Saturday (when it counted) the refs ultimately did them in. Teams in the future should really consider if the monetary costs that go into traveling to College Station is worth it. It was frustrating watching this being done to our kids from the Valley. I stood next to a man that runs a recruiting site and he stated to me that we didn't stand a chance because we were from the Valley. He said "they won't let you win here". Congrats to all that competed and hopefully this will serve as a lesson in life to all the kids that were affected. Keep working hard this summer and keep this in your mind and heart as you are working in the weight room and doing your running. To beat those guys, you are going to have to be PERFECT. Work towards perfection and don't settle for anything less. We will take down the coastal bend this year and one of our 5a's will take down a San Antonio team. This should be our goals!! Just curious, but where is the racism in the EE game and Mercedes game? As for the Weslaco game thats very sad to hear. Its a shame that some people can be very ignorant... |
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Post by wp2003 on Jul 19, 2008 19:38:22 GMT -6
the refs were displaying racism i guess. from what i understand nobody from the valley got very many calls in their favor......
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