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Post by Ol' Buzzard on Jun 20, 2008 13:36:51 GMT -6
I think the post above sums up everyone's (non-weslaco) sketpicism quite accurately...
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Post by wp2003 on Jun 20, 2008 14:30:18 GMT -6
you'd have to know a little about the panthers program before coach v got there to understand why it is that they didn't win. coach v's time at weslaco i believe currently ranks 2nd all time for a head coach at weslaco. the school board got trigger happy with the hiring and firing of coaches. when i got there, which is when the losing really started  we started off with coach cuellar, that was my freshman year. it was bad. then my sophomore and junior year it was "bucky ball" in weslaco. our board brought him over from nikki rowe but they forgot to bring his assistants, which is what made him successful. 2 2-8 seasons and bring in coach hite, who also lacked the assistants he had in his first run at weslaco. the program was in pieces whe coach v and his guys got here. if you knew how much they've actually done, you'd see why we all back them up so much. now to the discussion. i remember when the springers were still in school and they played weslaco. what i saw whenever the qb would take off was him looking for his big tackle to run behind, on either side. whenever he would drop back to throw, it was almost never a straight drop back, he would usually end up behind either tackle. the following year, i saw a change, more running, but it was mostly off tackle stuff. a double team down with the TE sealing up the end and there goes the running back. they were a much bigger part of the offense than you're giving them credit for. before you say it, yes i know how many yards shak rushed for, but he did it with a big line at times, and at other times with a small line. it didn't matter who was in there up front because the scheme took care of things offensively. weslaco is not the same doormat team with the same doormat philosophy. they've turned it around. yes i know that they still have to prove themselves, but they haven't been given that chance without shak. other teams like san benny in particular, have had some of the best they're ever going to have come in and out and haven't done anything with them. weslaco is going to make a run again this year, just like the year before. they're still going to put up a bunch of yards and they're still going to win more games than they lose. |
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Post by GO-LF on Jun 20, 2008 15:36:32 GMT -6
Really WP? you remember Springer running behind the biggest guy on the line? or Mendez running behind guys double teaming the Defensive Ends? WOW! I hope Coach Ford got that on tape so that we can figure out how to run those plays again!
I wonder if Coach V knew that giving the ball to his fastest and most agile player usually meant more yards, or maybe that was just dumb luck too!
Look I pulled a couple of stats for you, and they are Pre-Division-I era at LF, ok? Ford's first season in the valley.
2002 Season 11-1
Distict 32-4A Champions
#1 Offense in the state in all classifications(1A, 2A, 3A, 4A, 5A)
#12 Final state rankings in 2002.
11-1 Record 10-0 Regular Season.
3 All State players.
Matt Garza 2002- 2,411 30 TD's reg. season (2.809 yrds 2003 12 games) (Coach Scott Ford)
-All State Hon. Mention QB 2002
-6th All-time in Valley Passing
David Araiza 2002- 77 rec 1088 yrds . regular season
-All State Hon. Mention WR 2000 and 2002
No D-I players on this team, first year in coach Ford's System, and are line was not very big.
Coach Ford, will adjust, trust me. These guys have had four years under Ford's system and are a very experienced team coming back, they will know how to handle themselves, and so will Coach Ford.
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Post by Midvalleyftball79 on Jun 20, 2008 16:49:11 GMT -6
So will tony v go-lf, he will adjust. Tony v is a coach who knows how to utilize his talent. When he was losing over there at hanna before he came over here, he didnt' have the talent to work with. Here in weslaco he will never have a problem with lack of talent, theres always talent here in wes its just a matter of the right coaching to put it together.
Some of you make it like los fresnos has blown us out and coach ford is somewhat superior to anything tony v or weslaco have done or wanted to do, the falcons have won by 3 points, let me repeat 3 points in our last few meetings. And if you were there you know those games could of gone either way, every time those games were won in the final minutes. We could just as well be talking about weslaco having the falcons' number right now.
Ford has been but just ONE play better then tony v, thats the only thing that has seperated those games. But i guess we'll see what happens, our guys know that everyone is doubting them and all i'm gonna say is expect the unexpected when it comes to weslaco this coming season.
But idk why this thread has turned into a wes/lf discussion and what to expect and all that. Where are the sb peeps, to tell us what to expect this coming season from them. What about b'ville and that 50% rule do you think things will change over there, and some of those teams will be more competitive? I want to know what the rest of the district will have to offer this coming season ...
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Post by Weezer on Jun 20, 2008 18:40:37 GMT -6
SB will take it
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Post by wp2003 on Jun 20, 2008 20:46:46 GMT -6
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Post by son of corb on Jun 20, 2008 21:27:55 GMT -6
So will tony v go-lf, he will adjust. Tony v is a coach who knows how to utilize his talent. When he was losing over there at hanna before he came over here, he didnt' have the talent to work with. Here in weslaco he will never have a problem with lack of talent, theres always talent here in wes its just a matter of the right coaching to put it together. Some of you make it like los fresnos has blown us out and coach ford is somewhat superior to anything tony v or weslaco have done or wanted to do, the falcons have won by 3 points, let me repeat 3 points in our last few meetings. And if you were there you know those games could of gone either way, every time those games were won in the final minutes. We could just as well be talking about weslaco having the falcons' number right now. Ford has been but just ONE play better then tony v, thats the only thing that has seperated those games. But i guess we'll see what happens, our guys know that everyone is doubting them and all i'm gonna say is expect the unexpected when it comes to weslaco this coming season. But idk why this thread has turned into a wes/lf discussion and what to expect and all that. Where are the sb peeps, to tell us what to expect this coming season from them. What about b'ville and that 50% rule do you think things will change over there, and some of those teams will be more competitive? I want to know what the rest of the district will have to offer this coming season ... That was a long read. I still can't figure out if you are saying Los Fresnos is better coached, better talent, or just luckier. You lost me there. I think you were trying to build a case that Tony didn't win at Hanna because of lack of talent. Weslaco has superior talent and should have won the last 2 district titles but a tumble of the ball in LF's favor caused the first loss in a bi-district game and the last two games for the district championship. Is that about correct? |
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Post by wp2003 on Jun 20, 2008 21:35:16 GMT -6
tony v didn't have the talent at hanna that he has here and now. as far as lf/wes games. each and every year it's come down to who has the ball last. both offenses can gain yards and put up points on the other's defense. we all have given LF props for winning those games, you beat us, but what we're trying to say is that weslaco losing shak doesn't mean the end of weslaco in the DC hunt or the playoffs. i never said LF wasn't going to be a contender for the DC or the playoffs, but it's going to be tougher for them this time around. coach ford is a very good coach. he's very smart and knows how to play to his strenghts, but when you're strengths graduated and the players that are coming up don't even compare, what can you do? and before you go off about mishak consider the schemes that each school runs. weslaco has a ball control offense that does NOT require a back like mishak. the spread has a bunch of 1 on 1 blocking. 1 slip and you're done, i've been there, i know what it's like to be out on an island your first snap in a varsity game, it's not easy.
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Post by son of corb on Jun 20, 2008 22:36:24 GMT -6
okey dokie. Like I said, I don't normally engage in conversations about Weslaco. You win.
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Post by wp2003 on Jun 20, 2008 22:49:44 GMT -6
i know i do.
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Post by xlobo on Jun 20, 2008 22:51:48 GMT -6
Weslaco couldn't win with Shak and I don't see them beating LF this year either. The only way is Weslaco plays their best and LF plays their worst.
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Post by wp2003 on Jun 20, 2008 23:28:00 GMT -6
or if weslaco scores more points than LF. that plan could work also.
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Post by xlobo on Jun 20, 2008 23:28:38 GMT -6
Well usually that does work wp....  |
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Post by xlobo on Jun 20, 2008 23:29:10 GMT -6
I mean every coach should always have that as their gameplan....lol
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Post by son of corb on Jun 20, 2008 23:29:34 GMT -6
Glad that wasn't the plan the last few years. Now we know.
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Post by wp2003 on Jun 20, 2008 23:30:09 GMT -6
the panthers will be right there in the mix again. i'm not saying that they'll win it, i'm not going to gaurantee anything, but i'm just saying they'll be there playing for the DC again...........then they'll take a break against lopez. lol
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Post by xlobo on Jun 20, 2008 23:30:28 GMT -6
:lol:
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Post by wp2003 on Jun 20, 2008 23:34:30 GMT -6
i'm out boys, lobo is going too fast for me, it's been a 4 hour marathon session, i'm tired. peace
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Post by amnova on Jun 21, 2008 13:30:24 GMT -6
I think we should look at how teams have done AFTER they lose an impact player. How did Econodemes do after Ryan Richardson left? How did Memorial do after Stephens left? How did Hanna do after Tony Ellis left?..... So you can see why a lot of people are skeptical when it comes to Weslaco. Now, lets look at other teams. PSJA loses their RB's all the time, and they still manage EE loses players all the time, and they still manage Los Fresnos has lost big time players while Coach Ford has been here, they've managed. Port Isabel still manages. Harlingen still manages I guess what I'm trying to say, is that since before the Mishak era, Weslaco was in bad shape and now that he's gone, they have a lot to prove. So it's yet to be determined, which is why people are skeptical. you can't forget bout Brownsville Porter after losses the kid. |
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Post by xlobo on Jun 21, 2008 16:50:04 GMT -6
Well at Porter it' always been dark there....it was just bright for a while when the kid was there and then back to normal....lol
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we started off with coach cuellar, that was my freshman year. it was bad. then my sophomore and junior year it was "bucky ball" in weslaco. our board brought him over from nikki rowe but they forgot to bring his assistants, which is what made him successful. 2 2-8 seasons and bring in coach hite, who also lacked the assistants he had in his first run at weslaco. the program was in pieces whe coach v and his guys got here. if you knew how much they've actually done, you'd see why we all back them up so much. 
